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Gabby Mouse's avatar

After the Black Death got through depopulating Europe in the 14th Century, it was actually a great time to be a laborer; so many had died that labor was precious and wages rose. And yes, that myth about 'doing the jobs Americans do' disgusts me every time I hear it. It's an outright lie. And as for more people mean a more prosperous society, I ask anyone who bleats this out to look at India and China, they are hardly nations with a high standard of living. More people means more competition for available jobs, which means hiring the cheapest laborers. Trump now wants more immigrants because the poor people in the hospitality industry can't seem to find workers to clean hotel rooms and man the sign in desks. To tell you the truth, I'm just through with voting. I can't say I was never really enthusiastic about Trump, it was mostly that he was better than the other side, but he's just another liar and traitor.

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antebellum's avatar

“In truth, the logic of mass immigration from the third world is not economic at all. It is managerial. It creates a compliant and fragmented labor force, a slave class in all but name, and it dissolves the social cohesion that gives rise to political resistance.” The consequences of immigration as laid in the last sentence of this quote seem true to me. Whether the specific agency underlying the consequence as described in the first two sentences is equally true is not that clear to me. Not that I want to disagree. It’s simply not as self evident (to me).

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Tom's Blog's avatar

It’s also kills labor solidarity in their home countries. There’s some interesting data on it. It really is a plus for global elites.

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antebellum's avatar

Most “elites” that I know are pretty dumb. They are certainly not systems thinkers, they are certainly not thinking 20 years ahead and they are certainly not people that turn levers “over here” in order to generate second order effects “over there”. I am wary of attributing to malignant agency things that are just as easily explained - as endogenous system-wide consequences - of bad incentives, short sightedness, stupidity and an unfortunate institutional framework / clearly dis-functional political processes. That is not to say that there are no actors acting in synchronicity with the author’s thesis. I just have the intuition that the process is much more unconscious, for lack of a better word, than guided.

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Thomas L. Hutcheson's avatar

Lots of scary words, but the fact of the matter is that, in general, if two people agree to a market transition it's becasue both benefit.

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