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John Pork's avatar

Sidenote:Top 3 hellenics?

For me its

1. Heraclitus

2.Thucydides

3.Aristotle

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Chad Crowley's avatar

I’ve always been partial to the Pre-Socratics, and I hope more of their works are recovered and properly interpreted in the years ahead. Heraclitus remains a personal favorite. His vision of eternal flux, polemos as the father of all things, and the hidden logos beneath appearances speaks to a deeper truth I have always found compelling.

Pindar, Xenophon, Plato, and—if late Hellenism is allowed—Plotinus, are also of serious interest to me. I am currently preparing an original translation of Aeschylus’ “Agamemnon” for publication, with the aim of restoring something of its pagan cosmology, free from the later Christian moral overlay that, in my view, distorts the original spirit.

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Hussein Hopper's avatar

It is a rather tiresome western fantasy that discursive reasoning and philosophical thought originated in Greece as 6 schools of philosophy ,including materialist, idealist,epistemological , metaphysical, atomistic, moral and other systems, originated between 1000-500BCE in India.

The less comprehensive Greek systems originated between 700-400 BCE

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Hussein Hopper's avatar

Same room , same blowfly

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Hussein Hopper's avatar

And you are saying even less.

What I wrote has nothing to do with “race”, it was purely about philosophy.

.”European stock” is quaint Victorianism with no genetic reality. But since that quaint idea seems to go around in your head like a blowfly in an empty room, actually Western Europeans, Iranians, and Greeks all have in common a large portion Yamnaya genes for what it is worth.

Particularly vexing to the Greeks is the fact that a large portion of their genetic makeup is also of Anatolian origin as of course is most of their cuisine.

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ryan thompson's avatar

In your refutation and mockery, you are simply aping my statements. This has nothing to do with Persians as we were talking about India. The civilizational legacy of the ancients you speak of are the genetic ancestors of those we think of as white and European today. Hence my link to the article. Even leftists consider the idea laughable that the current inferior stock of contemporary India originated that once great civilization. But if you're saying white conflation with European is a result of historical circumstance (namely, the indo-aryan people migrating there) this is certainly true. I have yet to see you refute anything which Crowley said, as he was talking about a racial genetic legacy which has nothing to do with arbitrary lines on a map. And again, if that was your point, I certainly agree.

https://keithwoods.pub/p/aryaninvasion

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ryan thompson's avatar

You're not really saying anything though. The people in India who developed these modes were themselves of European stock. Unless you want to try and claim such things were developed by the progenitors of the modern diarrhea people. Even modern woke scholars consider out of India to be pathetic ahistorical cope.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_Aryanism

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